First, where else on the internet can you find ON ONE WEBSITE - paranormalish bloggers writing on ONE subject ALL AT THE SAME TIME? Only on TCI as far as I know. The experiment continues; and, before my response - let me say that my response will be independent - and that I haven't read my writers previous offerings (except BD's - and that was days ago) yet - to preserve my own independent approach to this seed post `hot story' about Hawking's statement in the past week or so. So, here goes.
Since we are talking about creation - isn't EVERY second created? Are we - Hawking - really talking about `our universe' or the `real beginning' of `something'? Aren't we really to be considering how a phenomenology might come into being as much as anything? Aren't we really talking about the `potential to be' - a prior - period?
Certainly, we can't be talking about the `religious' Gods - that mankind has created - can we? WE, a race of beings living on a planet that didn't even exist, we are told, until roughly 8+ billion years after `the beginning of time'? A GOD that `resembles humans' we have been told to believe? Sounds just a bit like imagination at play IMO.
God, would be MUCH bigger in every manner than mankind could imagine - and almost certainly would look no more like mankind than looking like any other item that would exist - living or `dead' - `spirit' or `material'. Indeed, if one were strictly to `look' for God - and the concept that would represent such - especially the concept that would represent the `beginning of God' - one could only look to the Now of the Past.
The first Now.
A none existent `potential' - actualized. (And I don't mean the Big Bang.) A phenomenology structure began actualization.
While a phenomenology structure can imply `ethics' and even `morals' - as Existentialism claims - those are mankind ascribed to a blank phenomenology devoid of such IMO - but - a phenomenology not devoid of meaning or definition of what the phenomenology structure IS - is what I believe.
IS - a sum of zero - of negating representations - BEING - NOW.
Representations that we can - roughly - put into human words - as several of the early phenomenology thinkers such as Edmund Husserl have done. Thoughts, really, IMO, that could be ANY humans thoughts - back to the time of thinking humans - they are so fundamental. And, they are that way because they represent the concepts of time-space-and consciousness.
Could something as fundamental as Phenomenology Structure Establishing - BE GOD? ----- If first actions, or events matter - yes.
IMO, - (my Phillips Phenomenology) - `spaces' (all things represented as matter) - have one of the two `negating' representations - as part of it most fundamental `meaning' of being a `space'. To me, the ISness of `spaces' is `not-able-to-be'. (counted once). `Things' occur once - which gives them their realness - for that instant. This ISness, occurs, ONLY within the space itself.
Different `things' have their OWN unique `now-space' - that is NOT (timewise) shared with other spaces - except as `it' `runs off' of the `structure'. (We are `represented' by our lights bounce to `other things' that can perceive us. However, be clear about this, our light image of our now - the representation of us - has already occurred and takes `time' to travel to the perception field of another - our light IS the `set' and determined' PAST.
This Now-Past - is what I call the `Not-Able-To-Not-Be' - the set reality we `see' of the external perception structure. This shared reality of `neighboring spaces' - is what we call real. This is where part of our consciousness lies and where we need to direct our attention for survival.
Now, what NEGATES - the above? ----- The `time' concept - the `able- to- not- be' concept. `Something' that isn't `everything' - something - `that could occur again'! And, with that - the initial structure is set. And, knowledge (an event physics) would grow with a structure.
Perception FROM spaces - can make `sense' of the data - giving some advantage (perhaps) to `living spaces'. (One of my favorite thoughts is - if man can be considered nothing more than a collection of electrons, etc - show me which electrons are alive and which ones aren't.)
So, ultimately, - my comment is - there would be structure before creation `of the universe' (I'm assuming he is only referring to the observable portion - a minor amount of the total) - that defined what characteristics that things-spaces would BE.
Now, is that existence before creation thing God? --- my answer is above - and open to your interpretation. (However, I must render that it is possible that the reality we exist within could be an `artificial' creation.)
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TCI - AED - Phillips - Ideas Of What The `Death State' May Be For Humans
(Reprinted From The Heavy Stuff)
August 7, 2010
Ideas Of What The `Death State’ May Be For Humans
This week, over at the new blog called The C Influence, we’ve been discussing `ghosts’ - which motivated me to think a little bit harder and dig into the data a little bit deeper about the `Death State’ of humans - or, more specifically - human consciousness. Because, as The Heavy Stuff readers would be aware of - much is `believed’ about what happens after the death of `our body’; - but, what does the limited data say and what theories may be drawn from the data to project a possible understanding.
Some of the `data’ available for consumption to make theories occurs from what is now referred to as a near death experience (NDE) - indeed, many books exist with a whole variety of `situations’ encountered within the `opening minutes’ of the death state. And, one NDE begins literally within the same phenomenology as one resides in while alive; for example - the `NDExperiencer’ who `floats’ out of their body (space) with full perception while immediately in that space or room. This would cover those NDE’s where the individual is looking down in the emergency room and can see and hear the doctors working to save them - or - look around the room. Often these `spaces with perception’ will float up to the ceiling - or beyond - thru the `house’/`hospital’ and out into the sky.
These `dead spaces with perception’ - don’t experience themselves as ghosts or as themselves - but generally they know that they are in their soul (so to speak). But, before we get into other `dead spaces perceptions’ - it is important to stress that the majority of those who die for a few moments to minutes - experience NOTHING AT ALL - —– as if they haven’t reached even the separation state. And, if you think of this logically - if `attaining different spaces’ is what occurs to the human consciousness at death - one could assume that the immediate state (IN THE BODY BEFORE SEPARATION) would indeed be the majority of cases. IMO.
So, lets set up a timeframe in essence - initially, most `dead spaces without perception’ are in the original body the person has `occupied’ during life; which then proceeds to the `dead space with perception at separation from the original body’ - and - this `new space’ is still within our phenomenology in every regard. And, that the experience of that `perceiving aware space’ has eventually no density and can pass thru walls etc.
The next less connected `death state’ as reported by those having NDE’s would be that the `dead perceiving space’ finds itself in a `tunnel’ which often is also the means of return to life (remember all this data is that of NDE’s) - (it could even be suggested that the `review of life’ reported happens in this phase of space) - nonetheless, it seems this immediate process involves the specific humans life - in a tremendous decompression of time as to being `almost instantaneous’.
However, with my views about phenomenology - it is phenomenology itself - to me - IMO - that is `changing’ at this point for the `dead perceiving space’. The `life review’ nearly tearing the body apart for it’s next adventure - showing that `reliving’ the past seemed `real’ in some regard (often thought of as a judgement on the life). But, I’d argue that the `new perceptions’ and the phenomenology it suggests is available to those who die - `charges’ the `new dead perceiving space’ - with a new phenomenology THAT VERY FEW RETURN FROM with first person views.
However, even at these outer reportable limits of human consciousness, sometimes can trigger what seems to be a `new now with the dead’ (often relatives) - who tell you that your time isn’t up or that you are not to stay in that phenomenology; yet. It is at that point that one’s own intentionality’s seem to be able to mount one last effort to return to the other phenomenology - and the `space’ one occupies there.
And, all of the above is fine and dandy.
But, it doesn’t provide `data’ about that new phenomenology that seems evident to some who die and return. Nor is the topic of this discussion the after effects of NDE to individuals who experience a different based phenomenology (that involves something other than local reality). (Becoming a psychic for example.)
And, as THS readers know, I’ve covered one person before who sought such information about (the phenomenology of) `living conditions’ in the afterlife of human consciousness - a seance man named Leslie Flint - and his `data’ (findings of things the dead say) and the `data’ that comes from more modern methods of speaking to the dead such as `Frank’s Box’ - provide yet another possible indication of the `near’ death state is possibly like. I covered both Leslie Flint and Frank’s Box this week on my other blog called `Barf Stew’. http://barfstew.blogspot.com/ - and, it is from my posts there that I’d like to quote from for the continuation of my examination of the `death state’ issue.
I’d first like to look at `esoteric wisdom’ of an old chinese man that came thru to Mr. Flint:
Facts of our life, which in some ways are very much like the earth, we refer to a condition of life enjoyed chiefly by people who have only recently left your world, and therefore, people of a mentality as such that they have not shed themselves of the material and in consequence have not made much progress and they have found an environment which they themselves have become mentally tuned into, adjusted to by their earthly thoughts.
And, compare that to the words of Aliester Crowley (part of the discussion at The C Influence http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/ ) provided by a reader of the blog:
Now this Soul, as an Officer in the High Mass of the Cosmos, taketh on the Vesture of his Office, that is, inhabiteth a Tabernacle of Illusion, a Body and Mind. And this Tabernacle is subject to the Law of Change, for it is complex, and diffuse, reacting to every Stimulus or Impression. If then the Mind be constantly attached to the Body, Death hath not Power to decompose it wholly, but a decaying Shell of the Dead Man, his Mind holding together for a little his Body of Light, haunteth the Earth, seeking (in its Error, that feareth Change) a new Tabernacle in some other Body
Both of these esoteric ideas, to me, say nearly the same thing - IF one goes `over’ to the other side of the dead - the phenomenology becomes similar to Earth but unique to the individual - until eventually an `asendence’ from that phenomenology area happens too - a second death if you will. This is all based on climbing some sort of phenomenology based on your space and knowledge/wisdom.
This is from the same Leslie Tape of the man from China in ancient times:
But when you ask those who have been here for sometime (as you understand time) who have made spiritual progress, they live in an environment so far remote from anything you can imagine. For them it would be increasingly difficult for them to manifest and describe the condition under which they exist.
And, this makes sense - after all - supposedly only about 6% of all people ever born live today - multiply that by the number of `aware consciousnesses that die in the universe’ - and you’d have a pretty crowded place if it wasn’t for `individual space perceptions based on a different phenomenology structure involving knowledge/wisdom’. This is not to suggest that other individuals may not be in similar `spaces’ involved with the same wisdom - which may allow interaction.
So, the `perceiving human spirit of one' may be released in a new non-local location - but, even that `time is limited’.
After that one can only surmise that ones knowledge is one and the same as what knowledge represents - and a merging occurs - or - is reborn as a different space.
Again, from the Flint tape:
For a man who is wise (as you understand it) as soon as he passes through the gates called death, he realises that , that which was wisdom in the past, as you progress becomes ignorance in consequence of the wisdom gained. Wisdom is something which is a state of being which may apply and does apply till such time as you have made progress to another state.
Now, I like to apply my so-called Phillips Phenomenology to the above too - To me, in the PP - our `space' as alive humans is NOT -ABLE - TO - BE (because we are a part of the not able to not be — the real) - at death - `switches’ to BEING - ABLE TO NOT BE. And, for a while, for the `ghosts’ that can mean being part of our phenomenology which includes both.
But, I think most - if not nearly all - human consciousnesses - go to - the new phenomenology space structure which includes `percieving human dead spaces’ being IN the able to not be. To me, dead doppelgangers `appearing’ to living humans is the ultimate example of such.
But, nearly all humans don’t have ONE I - and are most probably - many I’s (all with their attachments - even if in conflict with other of the I’s) - so, the `time after death - when, life there is `human like’, is what most of us are most interested in - not the ultimate objective of being a being. *This is the time the multi-I is becoming one I.) And, Frank’s Box gives some great examples of that :
When your dead your not really dead
It is all just a big scheme to get people to think they are alive still
The worse thing is when dead people think they know everything
You really don’t meet that many interesting dead people
I miss masturbation
Things just don’t taste the same when your dead
If Johnny Depp was here this would be hell!
Additionally, some of this type of information is seemingly confirmed via the Leslie Flint Tapes - things such as `you eat’ only in the early days of being dead - that indeed, `preachers’ telling you that there is `more to the world than this death state’ - are present and preaching to you. And, other details like - bricklayers would befriend other bricklayers and that for awhile they would lay bricks or build homes - but that eventually they did less and less with each person.
Other details included statements that the `body’ one had in death also eventually diminishes or becomes less important - and that a full body of others was also not a requirement. And, the phenomenology itself was more scattered and less sequential - and got more and more like that as `time’ went on in death.
Perhaps what I like best about all of this is how much sense it makes - which is scary too. As it seems obvious that when dead we would have to give up all our Earthy body attachments to advance - it’s almost like that movie where only some of the people saw color. Everyone would be able to see each others `level' on the other side - knowing they would be mixed with those of a similar state of being based on the remaining attachments - and humanlike interests.
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August 7, 2010
Ideas Of What The `Death State’ May Be For Humans
This week, over at the new blog called The C Influence, we’ve been discussing `ghosts’ - which motivated me to think a little bit harder and dig into the data a little bit deeper about the `Death State’ of humans - or, more specifically - human consciousness. Because, as The Heavy Stuff readers would be aware of - much is `believed’ about what happens after the death of `our body’; - but, what does the limited data say and what theories may be drawn from the data to project a possible understanding.
Some of the `data’ available for consumption to make theories occurs from what is now referred to as a near death experience (NDE) - indeed, many books exist with a whole variety of `situations’ encountered within the `opening minutes’ of the death state. And, one NDE begins literally within the same phenomenology as one resides in while alive; for example - the `NDExperiencer’ who `floats’ out of their body (space) with full perception while immediately in that space or room. This would cover those NDE’s where the individual is looking down in the emergency room and can see and hear the doctors working to save them - or - look around the room. Often these `spaces with perception’ will float up to the ceiling - or beyond - thru the `house’/`hospital’ and out into the sky.
These `dead spaces with perception’ - don’t experience themselves as ghosts or as themselves - but generally they know that they are in their soul (so to speak). But, before we get into other `dead spaces perceptions’ - it is important to stress that the majority of those who die for a few moments to minutes - experience NOTHING AT ALL - —– as if they haven’t reached even the separation state. And, if you think of this logically - if `attaining different spaces’ is what occurs to the human consciousness at death - one could assume that the immediate state (IN THE BODY BEFORE SEPARATION) would indeed be the majority of cases. IMO.
So, lets set up a timeframe in essence - initially, most `dead spaces without perception’ are in the original body the person has `occupied’ during life; which then proceeds to the `dead space with perception at separation from the original body’ - and - this `new space’ is still within our phenomenology in every regard. And, that the experience of that `perceiving aware space’ has eventually no density and can pass thru walls etc.
The next less connected `death state’ as reported by those having NDE’s would be that the `dead perceiving space’ finds itself in a `tunnel’ which often is also the means of return to life (remember all this data is that of NDE’s) - (it could even be suggested that the `review of life’ reported happens in this phase of space) - nonetheless, it seems this immediate process involves the specific humans life - in a tremendous decompression of time as to being `almost instantaneous’.
However, with my views about phenomenology - it is phenomenology itself - to me - IMO - that is `changing’ at this point for the `dead perceiving space’. The `life review’ nearly tearing the body apart for it’s next adventure - showing that `reliving’ the past seemed `real’ in some regard (often thought of as a judgement on the life). But, I’d argue that the `new perceptions’ and the phenomenology it suggests is available to those who die - `charges’ the `new dead perceiving space’ - with a new phenomenology THAT VERY FEW RETURN FROM with first person views.
However, even at these outer reportable limits of human consciousness, sometimes can trigger what seems to be a `new now with the dead’ (often relatives) - who tell you that your time isn’t up or that you are not to stay in that phenomenology; yet. It is at that point that one’s own intentionality’s seem to be able to mount one last effort to return to the other phenomenology - and the `space’ one occupies there.
And, all of the above is fine and dandy.
But, it doesn’t provide `data’ about that new phenomenology that seems evident to some who die and return. Nor is the topic of this discussion the after effects of NDE to individuals who experience a different based phenomenology (that involves something other than local reality). (Becoming a psychic for example.)
And, as THS readers know, I’ve covered one person before who sought such information about (the phenomenology of) `living conditions’ in the afterlife of human consciousness - a seance man named Leslie Flint - and his `data’ (findings of things the dead say) and the `data’ that comes from more modern methods of speaking to the dead such as `Frank’s Box’ - provide yet another possible indication of the `near’ death state is possibly like. I covered both Leslie Flint and Frank’s Box this week on my other blog called `Barf Stew’. http://barfstew.blogspot.com/ - and, it is from my posts there that I’d like to quote from for the continuation of my examination of the `death state’ issue.
I’d first like to look at `esoteric wisdom’ of an old chinese man that came thru to Mr. Flint:
Facts of our life, which in some ways are very much like the earth, we refer to a condition of life enjoyed chiefly by people who have only recently left your world, and therefore, people of a mentality as such that they have not shed themselves of the material and in consequence have not made much progress and they have found an environment which they themselves have become mentally tuned into, adjusted to by their earthly thoughts.
And, compare that to the words of Aliester Crowley (part of the discussion at The C Influence http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/ ) provided by a reader of the blog:
Now this Soul, as an Officer in the High Mass of the Cosmos, taketh on the Vesture of his Office, that is, inhabiteth a Tabernacle of Illusion, a Body and Mind. And this Tabernacle is subject to the Law of Change, for it is complex, and diffuse, reacting to every Stimulus or Impression. If then the Mind be constantly attached to the Body, Death hath not Power to decompose it wholly, but a decaying Shell of the Dead Man, his Mind holding together for a little his Body of Light, haunteth the Earth, seeking (in its Error, that feareth Change) a new Tabernacle in some other Body
Both of these esoteric ideas, to me, say nearly the same thing - IF one goes `over’ to the other side of the dead - the phenomenology becomes similar to Earth but unique to the individual - until eventually an `asendence’ from that phenomenology area happens too - a second death if you will. This is all based on climbing some sort of phenomenology based on your space and knowledge/wisdom.
This is from the same Leslie Tape of the man from China in ancient times:
But when you ask those who have been here for sometime (as you understand time) who have made spiritual progress, they live in an environment so far remote from anything you can imagine. For them it would be increasingly difficult for them to manifest and describe the condition under which they exist.
And, this makes sense - after all - supposedly only about 6% of all people ever born live today - multiply that by the number of `aware consciousnesses that die in the universe’ - and you’d have a pretty crowded place if it wasn’t for `individual space perceptions based on a different phenomenology structure involving knowledge/wisdom’. This is not to suggest that other individuals may not be in similar `spaces’ involved with the same wisdom - which may allow interaction.
So, the `perceiving human spirit of one' may be released in a new non-local location - but, even that `time is limited’.
After that one can only surmise that ones knowledge is one and the same as what knowledge represents - and a merging occurs - or - is reborn as a different space.
Again, from the Flint tape:
For a man who is wise (as you understand it) as soon as he passes through the gates called death, he realises that , that which was wisdom in the past, as you progress becomes ignorance in consequence of the wisdom gained. Wisdom is something which is a state of being which may apply and does apply till such time as you have made progress to another state.
Now, I like to apply my so-called Phillips Phenomenology to the above too - To me, in the PP - our `space' as alive humans is NOT -ABLE - TO - BE (because we are a part of the not able to not be — the real) - at death - `switches’ to BEING - ABLE TO NOT BE. And, for a while, for the `ghosts’ that can mean being part of our phenomenology which includes both.
But, I think most - if not nearly all - human consciousnesses - go to - the new phenomenology space structure which includes `percieving human dead spaces’ being IN the able to not be. To me, dead doppelgangers `appearing’ to living humans is the ultimate example of such.
But, nearly all humans don’t have ONE I - and are most probably - many I’s (all with their attachments - even if in conflict with other of the I’s) - so, the `time after death - when, life there is `human like’, is what most of us are most interested in - not the ultimate objective of being a being. *This is the time the multi-I is becoming one I.) And, Frank’s Box gives some great examples of that :
When your dead your not really dead
It is all just a big scheme to get people to think they are alive still
The worse thing is when dead people think they know everything
You really don’t meet that many interesting dead people
I miss masturbation
Things just don’t taste the same when your dead
If Johnny Depp was here this would be hell!
Additionally, some of this type of information is seemingly confirmed via the Leslie Flint Tapes - things such as `you eat’ only in the early days of being dead - that indeed, `preachers’ telling you that there is `more to the world than this death state’ - are present and preaching to you. And, other details like - bricklayers would befriend other bricklayers and that for awhile they would lay bricks or build homes - but that eventually they did less and less with each person.
Other details included statements that the `body’ one had in death also eventually diminishes or becomes less important - and that a full body of others was also not a requirement. And, the phenomenology itself was more scattered and less sequential - and got more and more like that as `time’ went on in death.
Perhaps what I like best about all of this is how much sense it makes - which is scary too. As it seems obvious that when dead we would have to give up all our Earthy body attachments to advance - it’s almost like that movie where only some of the people saw color. Everyone would be able to see each others `level' on the other side - knowing they would be mixed with those of a similar state of being based on the remaining attachments - and humanlike interests.
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Sunday, August 1, 2010
The C Influence - Week One Highlights - And Other Perceptions Of Phillips
24 hours from now, The C Influence, will be a week old - as moderator of week one I'd like to provide my perceptions of TCI so far to the `authors' and to the limited early readers finding their way to TCI.
First, this will be the 11th post on the 7th day of the site - some folks would probably be jumping thru hoops - and, while not jumping thru hoops - it is a solid beginning and I would expect that it will not be hugely different than that in the near term. Not only that - the Phillips-Duensing focus at the very very beginning was appropriately moderated by posts by the majority of authorized authors of TCI - leaving only Lesley (who posted links to TCI) J.S. Flower and Jeff - not heard from `yet' - in this first week. 6 out of 9 is not only not bad - I'm pretty happy with that ratio. Indeed, if 6 out of 9 of us respond each week (still will be adding a few I'm sure) this blog will be a success.
I will talk about the posts themselves in a minute or two.
Next, you noticed the e-mail yesterday that brought your attention to the addition of site-meter to track the visitors to the site. And, after the addition - 24 `visitors' in about 16 hours -- even more importantly - at this link - you will see that at least 3 of our sites have links providing visitors (Yeah to Lesley, Rick, Bruceleeeowe users.) http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s41cinfluence&r=11 -- backlinks in the first week rocks.
In addition - you can see that I added a sidebar video that can also be found on B.D.'s sidebar - to me it not only is a winner - but is representative of what I would hope the thought level of this website could strive to attain. How logic will dissolve logic and certainty - to the idea we must embrace - uncertainty. How math will not `solve' the universe. ----------- So, I want all `authors' to consider similar YouTube videos - select videos - that we can bring to an intelligent audience interested in the biggest of ideas.
You will also note that the sidebar also now has our main websites/blogs - if you wish to change it - let me or Bruce know. More changes will be coming to the sidebar too - feedback will be appreciated.
Ok, the highlights (IMO) of week one:
GREAT `seed post' full of suggested theories based on real investigation of the paranormal - at least TWO - GREAT DIRECT responses to the `seed post' - at least ONE other GREAT post worthy of new `seed post' (R.Lee) for this week - and, mentions of new probe worthy ideas by Bruceleeeowe and Colucci - Visitors coming from multiple backlinks, and our first `follower'.
And, that is NOT a bad week folks. Congratulations.
Now, improvements - suggestions.
Since the positioning of this website is `discussion of a seed post' - it is very very important to keep that in mind when making a post -- a discussion post would include direct references, in some manner, to the seed post - even direct quotes from (as you saw me do this week with some of my posts) the seed post or comments made about it. NOW, that is NOT to stifle thoughts - as perhaps immediately after quoting such a passage `your thoughts' go in a completely different reaction -- that's cool, that is your reaction to a suggested idea from the seed post.
Also, while there is NO minimum length and EVERY post this week IMO had at least a twinge of what the website is about - developing thoughts into more than statements - is what will generate real discussion. Also, `answering' to comments that seem directed to ideas one has brought forth should continue and increase.
Finally, seed posts. I want everyone to consider the very interesting post that Regan made here this week to be the new seed post - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/regan-acualizes-esoteric-discussion.html --- now, as I see it - Regan raises these various paranormal issues with possible esoteric (hidden knowledge) answers ----------------1) are paranormal events coming `from' the otherside or are projections made by ourselves? 2) Investigated in location with ectoplasm and psychokinesis 3) Regan's family history of ghosts 4) electric feeling on stairs 5) the Trickster 6)"Between these experiences of us: human, mortal, mundane, and the afterlife, or extended consciousness, spirit, whatever terms we use, are veils that move quietly and softly between us. I suspect “they” on the other side are more aware of us than we are of them and are better at manipulating energies. Responding to our intents and expectations. Reflecting back to us what they want us to see, and what we think we want to see."7)"what we call ghosts, or spirits, exist. It's more complex than just dead people showing themselves occasionally as flimsy, vague shapes"
It's a full plate authors - take a serving for discussion.
Finally, about Lon's response to the week of initial discussions from this seed post he was so kind as to let TCI reprint - it was close to appropriate for the discussion it generated concerning the direct responses of two authors who were pretty theoretical in their response. Any response would have indeed needed a large timeframe devoted to a response - especially when responding to large and lengthy posts - especially when it is an on-going changing phenomena.
That said, to me, these were the best direct opinions, some possibly with a smidgen of esoteric, responses, to our initial seed post and the issues and theories raised:
Concerning - Time Travel of Future Humans Into Now - Phillips, I think the key point I am making intellectually is this "We simply - CAN'T GO BACK - to realness." IMO.
Duensing, The essay that Lon wrote in "The Future Is Now" perhaps is a modern day narrative that may be confirmed in a surprising manner .....The concept is that knowledge in a non-literate culture, having descended from a literate state that had encountered a globally catastrophic "stop" of deconstruction that required the preservation of knowledge by verbal transmission.....If you take this conceptual basis for a body of myth as a "carrier" of knowledge whose preservation is paramount, these myths may be an intentional codex that are like the fragmented memories of a past by which we can travel backward in time. .......Could a global culture be wiped from the face of the Earth only to be traced by migration routes as a rebooting of a fragmented knowledge?
And, I responded to Bruces heavy words with this comment on a comment - here is how it `hit me' (meaning your words). ------ How about this - perhaps there is a `parallel knowledge' - that exists as a mechanism of possible actualization to the phenomenology we are all a member of. That `parallel knowledge' could appear to be humans from our future - but - really is - the possibility that our human consciousness is tapping into `other consciousnesses' that have had similar `stimulation' elsewhere and elsewhen.
So, a seed post that seemingly did generate esoteric discussion - theories about knowledge being a linchpin outside of the time-cone --- where else is that readily available?
Finally, enough is brought up in Regan's post to chew on and comment on - so please take the time to respond and feel free to comment on other discussions that stimulated your mind in some manner - that is the purpose here. Final ideas about seed one post are fine too.
R.P.
First, this will be the 11th post on the 7th day of the site - some folks would probably be jumping thru hoops - and, while not jumping thru hoops - it is a solid beginning and I would expect that it will not be hugely different than that in the near term. Not only that - the Phillips-Duensing focus at the very very beginning was appropriately moderated by posts by the majority of authorized authors of TCI - leaving only Lesley (who posted links to TCI) J.S. Flower and Jeff - not heard from `yet' - in this first week. 6 out of 9 is not only not bad - I'm pretty happy with that ratio. Indeed, if 6 out of 9 of us respond each week (still will be adding a few I'm sure) this blog will be a success.
I will talk about the posts themselves in a minute or two.
Next, you noticed the e-mail yesterday that brought your attention to the addition of site-meter to track the visitors to the site. And, after the addition - 24 `visitors' in about 16 hours -- even more importantly - at this link - you will see that at least 3 of our sites have links providing visitors (Yeah to Lesley, Rick, Bruceleeeowe users.) http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s41cinfluence&r=11 -- backlinks in the first week rocks.
In addition - you can see that I added a sidebar video that can also be found on B.D.'s sidebar - to me it not only is a winner - but is representative of what I would hope the thought level of this website could strive to attain. How logic will dissolve logic and certainty - to the idea we must embrace - uncertainty. How math will not `solve' the universe. ----------- So, I want all `authors' to consider similar YouTube videos - select videos - that we can bring to an intelligent audience interested in the biggest of ideas.
You will also note that the sidebar also now has our main websites/blogs - if you wish to change it - let me or Bruce know. More changes will be coming to the sidebar too - feedback will be appreciated.
Ok, the highlights (IMO) of week one:
GREAT `seed post' full of suggested theories based on real investigation of the paranormal - at least TWO - GREAT DIRECT responses to the `seed post' - at least ONE other GREAT post worthy of new `seed post' (R.Lee) for this week - and, mentions of new probe worthy ideas by Bruceleeeowe and Colucci - Visitors coming from multiple backlinks, and our first `follower'.
And, that is NOT a bad week folks. Congratulations.
Now, improvements - suggestions.
Since the positioning of this website is `discussion of a seed post' - it is very very important to keep that in mind when making a post -- a discussion post would include direct references, in some manner, to the seed post - even direct quotes from (as you saw me do this week with some of my posts) the seed post or comments made about it. NOW, that is NOT to stifle thoughts - as perhaps immediately after quoting such a passage `your thoughts' go in a completely different reaction -- that's cool, that is your reaction to a suggested idea from the seed post.
Also, while there is NO minimum length and EVERY post this week IMO had at least a twinge of what the website is about - developing thoughts into more than statements - is what will generate real discussion. Also, `answering' to comments that seem directed to ideas one has brought forth should continue and increase.
Finally, seed posts. I want everyone to consider the very interesting post that Regan made here this week to be the new seed post - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/regan-acualizes-esoteric-discussion.html --- now, as I see it - Regan raises these various paranormal issues with possible esoteric (hidden knowledge) answers ----------------1) are paranormal events coming `from' the otherside or are projections made by ourselves? 2) Investigated in location with ectoplasm and psychokinesis 3) Regan's family history of ghosts 4) electric feeling on stairs 5) the Trickster 6)"Between these experiences of us: human, mortal, mundane, and the afterlife, or extended consciousness, spirit, whatever terms we use, are veils that move quietly and softly between us. I suspect “they” on the other side are more aware of us than we are of them and are better at manipulating energies. Responding to our intents and expectations. Reflecting back to us what they want us to see, and what we think we want to see."7)"what we call ghosts, or spirits, exist. It's more complex than just dead people showing themselves occasionally as flimsy, vague shapes"
It's a full plate authors - take a serving for discussion.
Finally, about Lon's response to the week of initial discussions from this seed post he was so kind as to let TCI reprint - it was close to appropriate for the discussion it generated concerning the direct responses of two authors who were pretty theoretical in their response. Any response would have indeed needed a large timeframe devoted to a response - especially when responding to large and lengthy posts - especially when it is an on-going changing phenomena.
That said, to me, these were the best direct opinions, some possibly with a smidgen of esoteric, responses, to our initial seed post and the issues and theories raised:
Concerning - Time Travel of Future Humans Into Now - Phillips, I think the key point I am making intellectually is this "We simply - CAN'T GO BACK - to realness." IMO.
Duensing, The essay that Lon wrote in "The Future Is Now" perhaps is a modern day narrative that may be confirmed in a surprising manner .....The concept is that knowledge in a non-literate culture, having descended from a literate state that had encountered a globally catastrophic "stop" of deconstruction that required the preservation of knowledge by verbal transmission.....If you take this conceptual basis for a body of myth as a "carrier" of knowledge whose preservation is paramount, these myths may be an intentional codex that are like the fragmented memories of a past by which we can travel backward in time. .......Could a global culture be wiped from the face of the Earth only to be traced by migration routes as a rebooting of a fragmented knowledge?
And, I responded to Bruces heavy words with this comment on a comment - here is how it `hit me' (meaning your words). ------ How about this - perhaps there is a `parallel knowledge' - that exists as a mechanism of possible actualization to the phenomenology we are all a member of. That `parallel knowledge' could appear to be humans from our future - but - really is - the possibility that our human consciousness is tapping into `other consciousnesses' that have had similar `stimulation' elsewhere and elsewhen.
So, a seed post that seemingly did generate esoteric discussion - theories about knowledge being a linchpin outside of the time-cone --- where else is that readily available?
Finally, enough is brought up in Regan's post to chew on and comment on - so please take the time to respond and feel free to comment on other discussions that stimulated your mind in some manner - that is the purpose here. Final ideas about seed one post are fine too.
R.P.
Friday, July 30, 2010
Phillips - Actualizes Estoeric Discussion - Lon's Theory, Bruce's Comments
Howdy folks, - day 4 of The C Influence - as you can see, we've added yet another author - the as of yet unknown Tom Colucci who has been referred to as my Doppelganger. We are all looking forward to his input and frankly the input of everybody other than Bruce D and me. (lol) -- As I believe Lon, Bruce and I have already given plenty to `chew over' for our first seed post of Lon's. I do expect to see Lon giving his feedback to the discussion soon perhaps.
That said, I'm be remiss if I didn't respond to Bruce's comments as - as usual - his thoughts are worthy of discussion - the purpose and positioning of this blog. So, let me begin by pulling up particularly interesting ideas I've found in what Bruce said.
From - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/notes-in-key-of-c.html - A hydra of strange convergences has appeared through the medium of the internet on these pages as a provocation, perhaps an invocation pawned from the gold mine, only our pick axes while either sharp or dull, chip away at the material scrim of the scenery in expedition that is hopefully worthy of scaling Mount Analog.Our lives could be considered "A Novel of Symbolically Authentic Non-Euclidean Adventures in Mountain Climbing" - Indeed Bruce, The C Influence is a strange convergence - a provocation - of ideas - that we slog away to bring to each other on this blog. Fantastic wordmanship.
Then, we have perhaps a transpersonal litmus test lodged between a chasm whose depth is a highly personal survey, yet inevitably in order to have value,and avoid solipsism, we do require actual comparisons of our soundings with our fellow expedition members.
So upon this note book full of intriguing clues as to what presumably may be, an incomparable, we jot and ruminate upon the runes,the fabric tears, the corpses, with words.
What will our trawling at the edge of the known world reveal? TCI is indeed `the proof' provided of value added to ones own ideas - hopefully - again, amazing wordplay.
A daunting challenge indeed in a maze of similarities. But then you are here as the result of an experiential invitation whose possibilities seem both dangerous, foolish and intriguing.
So am I.
Bruce, an amazing first post about how similar the authors of TCI might be in their thinking and how it provides an unknown factor when it comes to our challenge of providing that `esoteric feedback' loop that you and I hope to create at TCI. Indeed, a challenge that easily could be called dangerous, foolish and intriguing to our ego's. And, indeed, probably a trait shared by most if not all invited to our experiment.
Next - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/duensing-chimes-on-past-that-is-now.html "On The Past That Is Now" Upon A Parallel Path - The essay that Lon wrote in "The Future Is Now" perhaps is a modern day narrative that may be confirmed in a surprising manner if we take away the technical shroud that serves as a membrane for this concept..by way of the invention of the legominisim. What is that?
The concept is that knowledge in a non-literate culture, having descended from a literate state that had encountered a globally catastrophic "stop" of deconstruction that required the preservation of knowledge by verbal transmission. Holy Shit Bruce. First, I've never heard of legominisim (and for all I know you are toying with us by inventing a word to describe a concept - which is fantastic and over the top - I suspect that you aren't inventing anything however) and if it is anything similar to what you describe - here is how it `hit me' (meaning your words). ------ How about this - perhaps there is a `parallel knowledge' - that exists as a mechanism of possible actualization to the phenomenology we are all a member of. That `parallel knowledge' could appear to be humans from our future - but - really is - the possibility that our human consciousness is tapping into `other consciousnesses' that have had similar `stimulation' elsewhere and elsewhen. After all, humans are at least 4-5 billion years `behind' the potential for humanlike consciousness within the universe.
And, I want to bring up at this point one of the possibilities of The Big Bang if inflation is true. I literally have exchanged E-mails with Alan Guth on this once -- and that is - in his book explaining inflation - Guth used the words that the REAL UNIVERSE size - the one that INCLUDES the area beyond our observable universe - is something like a million billion trillion times the size of the observable universe. 10 to the 23rd is what the estimate is I think.
And, I think that an area that size - filled with consciousnesses that have occurred over the last 5 billion years -- has untold power within the realm of consciousness ---- especially, if my ideas are right in that consciousness represents a third leg of Phenomenology.
Your thoughts also brought into my mind the duality idea of the whole universe being `known-unknown' or `matter-nothingness' or `now-nonnow' - because it would seem to be possible that one area could provide `actualization' for the `other' --- esoteric knowledge could be `carried' in a sense from here to there. As you say right here - If you take this conceptual basis for a body of myth as a "carrier" of knowledge whose preservation is paramount, these myths may be an intentional codex that are like the fragmented memories of a past by which we can travel backward in time. One that would make global warming a "walk in the park." .......hee-hee..Mars?) or further afield, perhaps then even taking an entirely unique different evolutionary path. Perhaps this current phenomenon of distant relations is a flash from our past, in a very unanticipated manner. Hey kids, we're back...perhaps an inbred form of exobiology ia at work for all we know.
Exactly.
That said, I'm be remiss if I didn't respond to Bruce's comments as - as usual - his thoughts are worthy of discussion - the purpose and positioning of this blog. So, let me begin by pulling up particularly interesting ideas I've found in what Bruce said.
From - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/notes-in-key-of-c.html - A hydra of strange convergences has appeared through the medium of the internet on these pages as a provocation, perhaps an invocation pawned from the gold mine, only our pick axes while either sharp or dull, chip away at the material scrim of the scenery in expedition that is hopefully worthy of scaling Mount Analog.Our lives could be considered "A Novel of Symbolically Authentic Non-Euclidean Adventures in Mountain Climbing" - Indeed Bruce, The C Influence is a strange convergence - a provocation - of ideas - that we slog away to bring to each other on this blog. Fantastic wordmanship.
Then, we have perhaps a transpersonal litmus test lodged between a chasm whose depth is a highly personal survey, yet inevitably in order to have value,and avoid solipsism, we do require actual comparisons of our soundings with our fellow expedition members.
So upon this note book full of intriguing clues as to what presumably may be, an incomparable, we jot and ruminate upon the runes,the fabric tears, the corpses, with words.
What will our trawling at the edge of the known world reveal? TCI is indeed `the proof' provided of value added to ones own ideas - hopefully - again, amazing wordplay.
A daunting challenge indeed in a maze of similarities. But then you are here as the result of an experiential invitation whose possibilities seem both dangerous, foolish and intriguing.
So am I.
Bruce, an amazing first post about how similar the authors of TCI might be in their thinking and how it provides an unknown factor when it comes to our challenge of providing that `esoteric feedback' loop that you and I hope to create at TCI. Indeed, a challenge that easily could be called dangerous, foolish and intriguing to our ego's. And, indeed, probably a trait shared by most if not all invited to our experiment.
Next - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/duensing-chimes-on-past-that-is-now.html "On The Past That Is Now" Upon A Parallel Path - The essay that Lon wrote in "The Future Is Now" perhaps is a modern day narrative that may be confirmed in a surprising manner if we take away the technical shroud that serves as a membrane for this concept..by way of the invention of the legominisim. What is that?
The concept is that knowledge in a non-literate culture, having descended from a literate state that had encountered a globally catastrophic "stop" of deconstruction that required the preservation of knowledge by verbal transmission. Holy Shit Bruce. First, I've never heard of legominisim (and for all I know you are toying with us by inventing a word to describe a concept - which is fantastic and over the top - I suspect that you aren't inventing anything however) and if it is anything similar to what you describe - here is how it `hit me' (meaning your words). ------ How about this - perhaps there is a `parallel knowledge' - that exists as a mechanism of possible actualization to the phenomenology we are all a member of. That `parallel knowledge' could appear to be humans from our future - but - really is - the possibility that our human consciousness is tapping into `other consciousnesses' that have had similar `stimulation' elsewhere and elsewhen. After all, humans are at least 4-5 billion years `behind' the potential for humanlike consciousness within the universe.
And, I want to bring up at this point one of the possibilities of The Big Bang if inflation is true. I literally have exchanged E-mails with Alan Guth on this once -- and that is - in his book explaining inflation - Guth used the words that the REAL UNIVERSE size - the one that INCLUDES the area beyond our observable universe - is something like a million billion trillion times the size of the observable universe. 10 to the 23rd is what the estimate is I think.
And, I think that an area that size - filled with consciousnesses that have occurred over the last 5 billion years -- has untold power within the realm of consciousness ---- especially, if my ideas are right in that consciousness represents a third leg of Phenomenology.
Your thoughts also brought into my mind the duality idea of the whole universe being `known-unknown' or `matter-nothingness' or `now-nonnow' - because it would seem to be possible that one area could provide `actualization' for the `other' --- esoteric knowledge could be `carried' in a sense from here to there. As you say right here - If you take this conceptual basis for a body of myth as a "carrier" of knowledge whose preservation is paramount, these myths may be an intentional codex that are like the fragmented memories of a past by which we can travel backward in time. One that would make global warming a "walk in the park." .......hee-hee..Mars?) or further afield, perhaps then even taking an entirely unique different evolutionary path. Perhaps this current phenomenon of distant relations is a flash from our past, in a very unanticipated manner. Hey kids, we're back...perhaps an inbred form of exobiology ia at work for all we know.
Exactly.
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