I suppose the best way to give an overall comment to the discussion is that in this particular case (David Eckhart's experiences) I have seen a lot of evidence that I just cannot explain. My theories have also been derived from other encounters I have investigated but the majority of my conjecture is due to this specific saga.
I don't want to seem like I'm generalizing your responses but at this present time, I must remain fluid and keep an open mind as evidence continues to comes forth. I do appreciate your thoughts...Lon
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Friday, July 30, 2010
Regan - Actualizes Esoteric Discussion - Reflections and Tricks
(phillips moderates) - Regan Lee explores the edge of Lon's post of `appearing entities' - but presenting below an excellent piece worthy in every manner for what TCI would like to become - an esoteric discussion. Regan suggests various ideas based on pure experience and yet looks for deeper explanations - worthy of discussion of other TCI writers as most of us have had some non-ordinary `events'. Indeed, I hope all TCI writers take it to heart that this will be a forum where we can speak of the non-ordinary without fear. Regan's piece is below.
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Discussions here on paranormal manifestations; are these appearances caused by “them,” ours, or combinations, a symbiotic dance, or projections? Who feeds off of whom?
I postedtwo images on a recent blog entry at my Orange Orb taken in a haunted house. This house has a lot of activity witnessed by many witnesses, including myself. A local news crew came out to the house a few years ago and one of the entities was clearly having a good time showing off for them. Classic things occurred: equipment, just checked before “investigations,” suddenly stopped working, heavy cameras on tripods and lights fell over abruptly as if they’d been shoved, lilting laughter and voices, hot and cold spots, ectoplasm manifesting before my very eyes . . .
I believe the witnesses, and I’ve experienced these things as well. The area has a history of weirdness, complete with cemetery up the road. Furthermore, this kind of activity, as well as psychic traits, “follows” the family throughout generations, primarily on the female side of the family. Regardless of physical location, the “hauntings” (and a few UFO cases) are experienced by members of this very large, extended family clan, even across states.
For some of the members, all this stuff is matter of fact; they’ve lived with it all their lives. While I believe everyone I’ve spoken to, and as I’ve said, have had my own experiences there, as well as throughout my whole life with other similar situations, there have been times when I’ve wondered in listening to some of the witnesses, how much of their expectations --and their decisions about what it is that’s going on -- influence what they experience?
The recent post on The Orange Orb includes two images I took of a stairway in this house. The first time I was on this stairway, a few years ago, I felt a tremendous burst of hot, electrical energy. I’ve always heard that cold spots were typical, yet I felt almost electrocuted. I wasn’t told that this staircase was an active spot; I had no idea. The feeling wasn't uncomfortable, in fact, it was even pleasant in a weird way, but it was something I’d never experienced before, or since.
The other day, back on that same staircase, trying to maintain a sense of openness and being grounded. Yet I couldn't help but wonder (hope, even) that I’d see or feel something. Up the stairs I go, didn’t feel anything close to warmth or electrical. Oh well. Suddenly I felt a blast of icy cold; there, I felt it, the typical cold spot. Was that a projection on my part? (Which is a intellectually classy way of saying “wishful thinking.) I disagree that it was: it was a literal, outside of me event, but also a Trickster moment. Reminding me that it’s there and knows I’m out here trying to notice it. You want hot, nah, I’m playing cold today.
The images which you can see on the blog, show an image of light, seated like a figure, at the top of the stairs. Those two images have generated a lot of discussion; reposted by ghost hunters on various forums, and by some of the residents of the house. One of those comments are from a family member who now has the room at the top of the stairs, who has said, of those images, that it’s “bullshit,” and merely reflections of light.
Hoping to capture something with the camera, I aimed, I shot, and, ... a shape evoking a figure appears. As tantalizing as the idea of an entity appearing on film is, I agree it is light, blurs and reflections. And yet, I can’t help but feel that there could have been brought about by a trickster type trait of this specific entity.
Between these experiences of us: human, mortal, mundane, and the afterlife, or extended consciousness, spirit, whatever terms we use, are veils that move quietly and softly between us. I suspect “they” on the other side are more aware of us than we are of them and are better at manipulating energies. Responding to our intents and expectations. Reflecting back to us what they want us to see, and what we think we want to see.
It's not either or, ghost/no ghost, wishful thinking vs. reality. It's all of it, some of it, sometimes it's just what it is: them, us. Within all that are levels of information that affect the manifestations, including the manifesting itself. Are we, are they, are all of us. . . ? Who's playing at any given moment?
But some things are sure; what we call ghosts, or spirits, exist. It's more complex than just dead people showing themselves occasionally as flimsy, vague shapes. Like us, they vary in ability and temperament.
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Discussions here on paranormal manifestations; are these appearances caused by “them,” ours, or combinations, a symbiotic dance, or projections? Who feeds off of whom?
I posted
I believe the witnesses, and I’ve experienced these things as well. The area has a history of weirdness, complete with cemetery up the road. Furthermore, this kind of activity, as well as psychic traits, “follows” the family throughout generations, primarily on the female side of the family. Regardless of physical location, the “hauntings” (and a few UFO cases) are experienced by members of this very large, extended family clan, even across states.
For some of the members, all this stuff is matter of fact; they’ve lived with it all their lives. While I believe everyone I’ve spoken to, and as I’ve said, have had my own experiences there, as well as throughout my whole life with other similar situations, there have been times when I’ve wondered in listening to some of the witnesses, how much of their expectations --and their decisions about what it is that’s going on -- influence what they experience?
The recent post on The Orange Orb includes two images I took of a stairway in this house. The first time I was on this stairway, a few years ago, I felt a tremendous burst of hot, electrical energy. I’ve always heard that cold spots were typical, yet I felt almost electrocuted. I wasn’t told that this staircase was an active spot; I had no idea. The feeling wasn't uncomfortable, in fact, it was even pleasant in a weird way, but it was something I’d never experienced before, or since.
The other day, back on that same staircase, trying to maintain a sense of openness and being grounded. Yet I couldn't help but wonder (hope, even) that I’d see or feel something. Up the stairs I go, didn’t feel anything close to warmth or electrical. Oh well. Suddenly I felt a blast of icy cold; there, I felt it, the typical cold spot. Was that a projection on my part? (Which is a intellectually classy way of saying “wishful thinking.) I disagree that it was: it was a literal, outside of me event, but also a Trickster moment. Reminding me that it’s there and knows I’m out here trying to notice it. You want hot, nah, I’m playing cold today.
The images which you can see on the blog, show an image of light, seated like a figure, at the top of the stairs. Those two images have generated a lot of discussion; reposted by ghost hunters on various forums, and by some of the residents of the house. One of those comments are from a family member who now has the room at the top of the stairs, who has said, of those images, that it’s “bullshit,” and merely reflections of light.
Hoping to capture something with the camera, I aimed, I shot, and, ... a shape evoking a figure appears. As tantalizing as the idea of an entity appearing on film is, I agree it is light, blurs and reflections. And yet, I can’t help but feel that there could have been brought about by a trickster type trait of this specific entity.
Between these experiences of us: human, mortal, mundane, and the afterlife, or extended consciousness, spirit, whatever terms we use, are veils that move quietly and softly between us. I suspect “they” on the other side are more aware of us than we are of them and are better at manipulating energies. Responding to our intents and expectations. Reflecting back to us what they want us to see, and what we think we want to see.
It's not either or, ghost/no ghost, wishful thinking vs. reality. It's all of it, some of it, sometimes it's just what it is: them, us. Within all that are levels of information that affect the manifestations, including the manifesting itself. Are we, are they, are all of us. . . ? Who's playing at any given moment?
But some things are sure; what we call ghosts, or spirits, exist. It's more complex than just dead people showing themselves occasionally as flimsy, vague shapes. Like us, they vary in ability and temperament.
Bruceleeeowe - Actualizes Esoteric Discussion - Lon's Theory, Colucci's Comment
Seems you are highly influenced with eastern philosophy. I have read somewhere that you can even create your own reality using SAMADHI. I haven't tried though it seems true(it's very very tough). And a ancient 'pauranik' story tells about extradimensions. Perhaps, Biocentrism could explain this. As for future being which may exhibit right now, it doesn't probable for me right now. However I'm not ignoring the possibility of that being true. I'll make it clear in my next post.
Colucci - Actualizes Esoteric Discussion - Lon's Theory
Paranormal activity is usually phenomenow "sic" experienced as a sort of way station where one starts to shed the last vestiges of ego on the way to non-dual awareness. One should not be detered by these subject object relationships for they merely are the powers that come to any seasoned meditator. They should be merely noted as another aspect of maya and rejected on the way to complete Nirvikalpa Samadhi where all subject object relationships end in complete immersion in reality. Om Shanti Shanti Om.
Phillips - Actualizes Estoeric Discussion - Lon's Theory, Bruce's Comments
Howdy folks, - day 4 of The C Influence - as you can see, we've added yet another author - the as of yet unknown Tom Colucci who has been referred to as my Doppelganger. We are all looking forward to his input and frankly the input of everybody other than Bruce D and me. (lol) -- As I believe Lon, Bruce and I have already given plenty to `chew over' for our first seed post of Lon's. I do expect to see Lon giving his feedback to the discussion soon perhaps.
That said, I'm be remiss if I didn't respond to Bruce's comments as - as usual - his thoughts are worthy of discussion - the purpose and positioning of this blog. So, let me begin by pulling up particularly interesting ideas I've found in what Bruce said.
From - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/notes-in-key-of-c.html - A hydra of strange convergences has appeared through the medium of the internet on these pages as a provocation, perhaps an invocation pawned from the gold mine, only our pick axes while either sharp or dull, chip away at the material scrim of the scenery in expedition that is hopefully worthy of scaling Mount Analog.Our lives could be considered "A Novel of Symbolically Authentic Non-Euclidean Adventures in Mountain Climbing" - Indeed Bruce, The C Influence is a strange convergence - a provocation - of ideas - that we slog away to bring to each other on this blog. Fantastic wordmanship.
Then, we have perhaps a transpersonal litmus test lodged between a chasm whose depth is a highly personal survey, yet inevitably in order to have value,and avoid solipsism, we do require actual comparisons of our soundings with our fellow expedition members.
So upon this note book full of intriguing clues as to what presumably may be, an incomparable, we jot and ruminate upon the runes,the fabric tears, the corpses, with words.
What will our trawling at the edge of the known world reveal? TCI is indeed `the proof' provided of value added to ones own ideas - hopefully - again, amazing wordplay.
A daunting challenge indeed in a maze of similarities. But then you are here as the result of an experiential invitation whose possibilities seem both dangerous, foolish and intriguing.
So am I.
Bruce, an amazing first post about how similar the authors of TCI might be in their thinking and how it provides an unknown factor when it comes to our challenge of providing that `esoteric feedback' loop that you and I hope to create at TCI. Indeed, a challenge that easily could be called dangerous, foolish and intriguing to our ego's. And, indeed, probably a trait shared by most if not all invited to our experiment.
Next - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/duensing-chimes-on-past-that-is-now.html "On The Past That Is Now" Upon A Parallel Path - The essay that Lon wrote in "The Future Is Now" perhaps is a modern day narrative that may be confirmed in a surprising manner if we take away the technical shroud that serves as a membrane for this concept..by way of the invention of the legominisim. What is that?
The concept is that knowledge in a non-literate culture, having descended from a literate state that had encountered a globally catastrophic "stop" of deconstruction that required the preservation of knowledge by verbal transmission. Holy Shit Bruce. First, I've never heard of legominisim (and for all I know you are toying with us by inventing a word to describe a concept - which is fantastic and over the top - I suspect that you aren't inventing anything however) and if it is anything similar to what you describe - here is how it `hit me' (meaning your words). ------ How about this - perhaps there is a `parallel knowledge' - that exists as a mechanism of possible actualization to the phenomenology we are all a member of. That `parallel knowledge' could appear to be humans from our future - but - really is - the possibility that our human consciousness is tapping into `other consciousnesses' that have had similar `stimulation' elsewhere and elsewhen. After all, humans are at least 4-5 billion years `behind' the potential for humanlike consciousness within the universe.
And, I want to bring up at this point one of the possibilities of The Big Bang if inflation is true. I literally have exchanged E-mails with Alan Guth on this once -- and that is - in his book explaining inflation - Guth used the words that the REAL UNIVERSE size - the one that INCLUDES the area beyond our observable universe - is something like a million billion trillion times the size of the observable universe. 10 to the 23rd is what the estimate is I think.
And, I think that an area that size - filled with consciousnesses that have occurred over the last 5 billion years -- has untold power within the realm of consciousness ---- especially, if my ideas are right in that consciousness represents a third leg of Phenomenology.
Your thoughts also brought into my mind the duality idea of the whole universe being `known-unknown' or `matter-nothingness' or `now-nonnow' - because it would seem to be possible that one area could provide `actualization' for the `other' --- esoteric knowledge could be `carried' in a sense from here to there. As you say right here - If you take this conceptual basis for a body of myth as a "carrier" of knowledge whose preservation is paramount, these myths may be an intentional codex that are like the fragmented memories of a past by which we can travel backward in time. One that would make global warming a "walk in the park." .......hee-hee..Mars?) or further afield, perhaps then even taking an entirely unique different evolutionary path. Perhaps this current phenomenon of distant relations is a flash from our past, in a very unanticipated manner. Hey kids, we're back...perhaps an inbred form of exobiology ia at work for all we know.
Exactly.
That said, I'm be remiss if I didn't respond to Bruce's comments as - as usual - his thoughts are worthy of discussion - the purpose and positioning of this blog. So, let me begin by pulling up particularly interesting ideas I've found in what Bruce said.
From - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/notes-in-key-of-c.html - A hydra of strange convergences has appeared through the medium of the internet on these pages as a provocation, perhaps an invocation pawned from the gold mine, only our pick axes while either sharp or dull, chip away at the material scrim of the scenery in expedition that is hopefully worthy of scaling Mount Analog.Our lives could be considered "A Novel of Symbolically Authentic Non-Euclidean Adventures in Mountain Climbing" - Indeed Bruce, The C Influence is a strange convergence - a provocation - of ideas - that we slog away to bring to each other on this blog. Fantastic wordmanship.
Then, we have perhaps a transpersonal litmus test lodged between a chasm whose depth is a highly personal survey, yet inevitably in order to have value,and avoid solipsism, we do require actual comparisons of our soundings with our fellow expedition members.
So upon this note book full of intriguing clues as to what presumably may be, an incomparable, we jot and ruminate upon the runes,the fabric tears, the corpses, with words.
What will our trawling at the edge of the known world reveal? TCI is indeed `the proof' provided of value added to ones own ideas - hopefully - again, amazing wordplay.
A daunting challenge indeed in a maze of similarities. But then you are here as the result of an experiential invitation whose possibilities seem both dangerous, foolish and intriguing.
So am I.
Bruce, an amazing first post about how similar the authors of TCI might be in their thinking and how it provides an unknown factor when it comes to our challenge of providing that `esoteric feedback' loop that you and I hope to create at TCI. Indeed, a challenge that easily could be called dangerous, foolish and intriguing to our ego's. And, indeed, probably a trait shared by most if not all invited to our experiment.
Next - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/duensing-chimes-on-past-that-is-now.html "On The Past That Is Now" Upon A Parallel Path - The essay that Lon wrote in "The Future Is Now" perhaps is a modern day narrative that may be confirmed in a surprising manner if we take away the technical shroud that serves as a membrane for this concept..by way of the invention of the legominisim. What is that?
The concept is that knowledge in a non-literate culture, having descended from a literate state that had encountered a globally catastrophic "stop" of deconstruction that required the preservation of knowledge by verbal transmission. Holy Shit Bruce. First, I've never heard of legominisim (and for all I know you are toying with us by inventing a word to describe a concept - which is fantastic and over the top - I suspect that you aren't inventing anything however) and if it is anything similar to what you describe - here is how it `hit me' (meaning your words). ------ How about this - perhaps there is a `parallel knowledge' - that exists as a mechanism of possible actualization to the phenomenology we are all a member of. That `parallel knowledge' could appear to be humans from our future - but - really is - the possibility that our human consciousness is tapping into `other consciousnesses' that have had similar `stimulation' elsewhere and elsewhen. After all, humans are at least 4-5 billion years `behind' the potential for humanlike consciousness within the universe.
And, I want to bring up at this point one of the possibilities of The Big Bang if inflation is true. I literally have exchanged E-mails with Alan Guth on this once -- and that is - in his book explaining inflation - Guth used the words that the REAL UNIVERSE size - the one that INCLUDES the area beyond our observable universe - is something like a million billion trillion times the size of the observable universe. 10 to the 23rd is what the estimate is I think.
And, I think that an area that size - filled with consciousnesses that have occurred over the last 5 billion years -- has untold power within the realm of consciousness ---- especially, if my ideas are right in that consciousness represents a third leg of Phenomenology.
Your thoughts also brought into my mind the duality idea of the whole universe being `known-unknown' or `matter-nothingness' or `now-nonnow' - because it would seem to be possible that one area could provide `actualization' for the `other' --- esoteric knowledge could be `carried' in a sense from here to there. As you say right here - If you take this conceptual basis for a body of myth as a "carrier" of knowledge whose preservation is paramount, these myths may be an intentional codex that are like the fragmented memories of a past by which we can travel backward in time. One that would make global warming a "walk in the park." .......hee-hee..Mars?) or further afield, perhaps then even taking an entirely unique different evolutionary path. Perhaps this current phenomenon of distant relations is a flash from our past, in a very unanticipated manner. Hey kids, we're back...perhaps an inbred form of exobiology ia at work for all we know.
Exactly.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010
Phillips - Actualizes Esoteric Discussion - TCI and Lon's Featured Theory
A short update concerning The C Influence - two more well known names in the world of anomalous websites/writers have indicated they may be joining the author list - Regan Lee and Rick Stokes - I hope TCI can make the case for them to contribute their expertise and opinions. And, two have turned down the `writers' offer very graciously while indicating an interest in the concept - Patrick Huyghe and Michael Prescott - as right now they are too time constrained. Other writer offers remain `out there' - and TCI hopes to have more info soon.
Now, what you are about to read in this post is how I expect this website will probably work - and that is - comments from an anomalous writer (me) - commenting on the esoteric stuff on the site - since my last comment about - esoteric stuff on the site. So, here we go.
This was post 1 day 1 on TCI - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/c-influence-blog.html - in addition to explaining the `positioning' of this website (my market research terminology coming thru) it also provided insight into the Name of TCI itself. Indeed, I'd like to know the `writers' of this sites `take' about the `idea' of A, B, and C influences? Have you heard of this before? Are you familiar with Gurdijeff and Ouspensky? Do you believe that `influences' may indeed be divided for our perceptions in such a manner? ---------- And, what do you believe about `schools' of esoteric thought -- where one works on ones awareness structure -- do you think they are legit or nonsense? ---- I will give more input about my thoughts as others comment on this.
Day 2 - Lon's Post - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/future-may-be-now.html - `The Future May Be Now' -- Ok, here's my response to Lon's thoughtful post. First, I totally respect Lon and his opinions - even more so because of the manner by which he arrives at his opinions - almost always putting together divergent `facts' about the experiences of himself and the huge number of anomalous experiences he is exposed to on P&M. And, while I have been following Lon's interest/excitement about the Eckhart phenomena - I can't say that I waded thru the HUGE amount of `proof' Lon provided (many videos) a month or two ago. So, point one - LON is speaking from a more detailed understanding on this phenomena happening to Eckhart. Also, in Lon's post - I don't think that he has really given us `the details' yet - as to why he feels the way he states about `aliens' and `their being from the future'. I will look forward to Lon's detailing of that in TCI if he wishes.
That said, TCI is about discussion - and I will now bring that full force.
My first statement would be to re-cap what I said in my link in response to the solving of the Grandfather Paradox - (as you saw on TA twice this week - http://barfstew.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-murdered-grandfather-time-paradox.html - Now, since you are a reader and intellectual Lon - I expect you have read that - that said, I think the key point I am making intellectually is this "We simply - CAN'T GO BACK - to realness." IMO.
So, to me, concerning the `time aspect' of these entities Eckhart is experiencing - `coming back to our present' - for me - doesn't work. That is not to discount other possibilities to explain the phenomena that leads you to believe this is the case - and as I mentioned above - I think you have specifics you haven't shared.
Also, as I wrote in `Be Here Nowish' - and in the comments that ensued from that post (which actually generated the very idea of this website via the 6 HEAVY comments following the post - 3 from members/writers of TCI) http://theheavystuff.com/?p=135 I think at best that NOW is really `nowish' at least to the singular experiencer like a human being. That said, it really is not a blanket NO to `phenomena of an anomalous type' as `all spaces only have `their now' inside of them -- as - to me -- ALL that is not us - is in the past - due to the reasons I list at the above link of mine'.
Also, my belief would be closer to this for what I expect is the phenomena you are hearing about - Lon - I think that `consciousness' is literally a `third leg' of phenomenology - that `consciousness' is not exclusive to humans, or Earth, -- and is literally `everywhere' in the universe to some level. Maybe that is `God' -- but at the very least - I think that `all the other beings with self-awareness - that are `human similar' - we as humans - may have `access' to. Literally.
I briefly touched on that at the heavy stuff when I presented my alternative view of `a twist to aliens showing humans our apoculypse' http://theheavystuff.com/?p=132 .
Finally and more importantly - do I find what you are saying to be `impossible' - absolutely NOT. Also, I am VERY interested in the so-called `underground bases' ever since I read `Hunt for the Skinwalker' - I'd love to know why you support the idea.
Day 2 - Bruce's comment - More esoteric discussion of our first `seed post' - the actualization of esoteric discussion (for those too lazy to hit comments here it is) While I am a atheist toward the existence of "now" except as a referent, a word, this concept is an interesting one that has been undervalued. Some physicists are reexamining the Big bang theory as they suspect some of what they are observing in the universe seems to entail a post selective process, that suggests also what has been found in some unrelated experiments in sending a signal backwards in time.
My Comment - I like this Bruce as it reminds me of the main actualization phrase by Julian Barbour -- that the `spaces' `pick' the next moment via a process of determining which of the infinite spaces available to be actualized by using the criteria of `best matching with least intrinsic difference'.
In the Bible there was a coy reference to a certain personage being "gathered back" to his forebears, as P.D Ouspensky suspected that the evolutionary impetus may involve a "backwash" phenomenon from the fourth dimension, rather than a linear causality, the mutational and post selective choices being pressedreverse" stream of information. In other words, a civilizing factor could be like an underground stream surfacing intermittently in "feedback" waves. The implication is that data moves in an unlimited amount of directions rather than being set to a circular orbital rotation like a mechanical watch.
My comment - Excellent thought - much like what Ouspensky says about `recurrence'.
My own take is that the "quantum "observer effect is likely to be at play wherein the anticipation of what will be an experiential reality is tampered with by expectations that are culturally set that gives rise and room for gnomes, blond Venusians, Greys and Fairy Folk..which seems to be, in retrospect, a validation of Vallee's early theories that predate the growing arrival these theories being validated.
My Comment - I think you are onto something with this.
More in line with your theory is that perhaps instead of hybridization, we may be seeing genomes being planted as a delay fused implant that would make the mineral deposits claimed as tracking devices seem ridiculous. I really doubt this in more ways than I can express here. A great post to begin with
Finally, readers - writers - and writers still on the fence as to writing on TCI --- I hope this post shows what can be accomplished in a free forum of discussion about esoteric theories.
Lastly, writers of TCI - comments on these comments? Simply enter and post - do not worry about your post being on top -- ONLY SEED POSTS will be kept on top and SEED POSTS will NOT be daily.
Readers - The comment button is below - you will get a response.
Now, what you are about to read in this post is how I expect this website will probably work - and that is - comments from an anomalous writer (me) - commenting on the esoteric stuff on the site - since my last comment about - esoteric stuff on the site. So, here we go.
This was post 1 day 1 on TCI - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/c-influence-blog.html - in addition to explaining the `positioning' of this website (my market research terminology coming thru) it also provided insight into the Name of TCI itself. Indeed, I'd like to know the `writers' of this sites `take' about the `idea' of A, B, and C influences? Have you heard of this before? Are you familiar with Gurdijeff and Ouspensky? Do you believe that `influences' may indeed be divided for our perceptions in such a manner? ---------- And, what do you believe about `schools' of esoteric thought -- where one works on ones awareness structure -- do you think they are legit or nonsense? ---- I will give more input about my thoughts as others comment on this.
Day 2 - Lon's Post - http://thecinfluenceblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/future-may-be-now.html - `The Future May Be Now' -- Ok, here's my response to Lon's thoughtful post. First, I totally respect Lon and his opinions - even more so because of the manner by which he arrives at his opinions - almost always putting together divergent `facts' about the experiences of himself and the huge number of anomalous experiences he is exposed to on P&M. And, while I have been following Lon's interest/excitement about the Eckhart phenomena - I can't say that I waded thru the HUGE amount of `proof' Lon provided (many videos) a month or two ago. So, point one - LON is speaking from a more detailed understanding on this phenomena happening to Eckhart. Also, in Lon's post - I don't think that he has really given us `the details' yet - as to why he feels the way he states about `aliens' and `their being from the future'. I will look forward to Lon's detailing of that in TCI if he wishes.
That said, TCI is about discussion - and I will now bring that full force.
My first statement would be to re-cap what I said in my link in response to the solving of the Grandfather Paradox - (as you saw on TA twice this week - http://barfstew.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-murdered-grandfather-time-paradox.html - Now, since you are a reader and intellectual Lon - I expect you have read that - that said, I think the key point I am making intellectually is this "We simply - CAN'T GO BACK - to realness." IMO.
So, to me, concerning the `time aspect' of these entities Eckhart is experiencing - `coming back to our present' - for me - doesn't work. That is not to discount other possibilities to explain the phenomena that leads you to believe this is the case - and as I mentioned above - I think you have specifics you haven't shared.
Also, as I wrote in `Be Here Nowish' - and in the comments that ensued from that post (which actually generated the very idea of this website via the 6 HEAVY comments following the post - 3 from members/writers of TCI) http://theheavystuff.com/?p=135 I think at best that NOW is really `nowish' at least to the singular experiencer like a human being. That said, it really is not a blanket NO to `phenomena of an anomalous type' as `all spaces only have `their now' inside of them -- as - to me -- ALL that is not us - is in the past - due to the reasons I list at the above link of mine'.
Also, my belief would be closer to this for what I expect is the phenomena you are hearing about - Lon - I think that `consciousness' is literally a `third leg' of phenomenology - that `consciousness' is not exclusive to humans, or Earth, -- and is literally `everywhere' in the universe to some level. Maybe that is `God' -- but at the very least - I think that `all the other beings with self-awareness - that are `human similar' - we as humans - may have `access' to. Literally.
I briefly touched on that at the heavy stuff when I presented my alternative view of `a twist to aliens showing humans our apoculypse' http://theheavystuff.com/?p=132 .
Finally and more importantly - do I find what you are saying to be `impossible' - absolutely NOT. Also, I am VERY interested in the so-called `underground bases' ever since I read `Hunt for the Skinwalker' - I'd love to know why you support the idea.
Day 2 - Bruce's comment - More esoteric discussion of our first `seed post' - the actualization of esoteric discussion (for those too lazy to hit comments here it is) While I am a atheist toward the existence of "now" except as a referent, a word, this concept is an interesting one that has been undervalued. Some physicists are reexamining the Big bang theory as they suspect some of what they are observing in the universe seems to entail a post selective process, that suggests also what has been found in some unrelated experiments in sending a signal backwards in time.
My Comment - I like this Bruce as it reminds me of the main actualization phrase by Julian Barbour -- that the `spaces' `pick' the next moment via a process of determining which of the infinite spaces available to be actualized by using the criteria of `best matching with least intrinsic difference'.
In the Bible there was a coy reference to a certain personage being "gathered back" to his forebears, as P.D Ouspensky suspected that the evolutionary impetus may involve a "backwash" phenomenon from the fourth dimension, rather than a linear causality, the mutational and post selective choices being pressedreverse" stream of information. In other words, a civilizing factor could be like an underground stream surfacing intermittently in "feedback" waves. The implication is that data moves in an unlimited amount of directions rather than being set to a circular orbital rotation like a mechanical watch.
My comment - Excellent thought - much like what Ouspensky says about `recurrence'.
My own take is that the "quantum "observer effect is likely to be at play wherein the anticipation of what will be an experiential reality is tampered with by expectations that are culturally set that gives rise and room for gnomes, blond Venusians, Greys and Fairy Folk..which seems to be, in retrospect, a validation of Vallee's early theories that predate the growing arrival these theories being validated.
My Comment - I think you are onto something with this.
More in line with your theory is that perhaps instead of hybridization, we may be seeing genomes being planted as a delay fused implant that would make the mineral deposits claimed as tracking devices seem ridiculous. I really doubt this in more ways than I can express here. A great post to begin with
Finally, readers - writers - and writers still on the fence as to writing on TCI --- I hope this post shows what can be accomplished in a free forum of discussion about esoteric theories.
Lastly, writers of TCI - comments on these comments? Simply enter and post - do not worry about your post being on top -- ONLY SEED POSTS will be kept on top and SEED POSTS will NOT be daily.
Readers - The comment button is below - you will get a response.
Monday, July 26, 2010
The `C' Influence Blog
Hello, welcome to The `C' Influence Blog. I am honored to be able to make this first post and to have set up THE BLOG with the name that honors the book `The Fourth Way' (TFW) by P.D. Ouspensky. While I expect that this blog will contain, eventually, lots of references to TFW - it is being set up for a reason. The reason is to provide something not readily available to the world; - a discussion by a set group of invited people - about the implications of consciousness to humans and the world as a whole.
Nearly all of the invited people to write on this blog have already proven themselves, via the internet, to possess significant interest in the esoteric with a bent to `open-mindedness' to ideas in general. That is - while still possessing SIGNIFICANT opinions on nearly all paranormal subject manner. Many of those opinions will be supported by direct experiences or even investigations.
However, this blog will also - I expect - introduce the internet community to new thinkers. After all, the people already being asked to participate as contributors - almost to a person - have to have a close friend who hears and discusses the far out theories you may be reading. So, some of those new sources are something to look forward to occurring on these pages.
Most of all, myself included, I hope that the invited writers will provide their ideas - and rejection of ideas - in a totally civil manner of respect; which most of the writers already have for each other. This will be a blog that will be a pleasure to read - a blog with the goal of enlightenment to each other. A hashing out of inner thoughts and ideas. A quoting place of great books.
At this stage - this very moment - this idea for this blog is only a matter of an hour or so old. I've already heard back in an affirmative manner from one and an `interest' by another. I also can assume that at least one of my `friends' will be IN and probably the man who is referred to as my doppelganger. I expect (hope) nearly all will respond in a positive manner.
Finally, TFW is a book of esoteric questions and esoteric answers - that anyone with an interest in the paranormal, consciousness, or big ideas should probably find and read. But, specifically - I want to provide the FIRST Question in TFW that brings about an `answer' about `C' Influence.
(Page 86 - Magnetic Centre)
Q. Is total immersion in influences B and a complete rejection of influences A a correct attitude to life? Can we altogether dispense with influence A?
A. Why should we? Influences A may be quite legitimate interests in life. If you do not disappear in them they are quite harmless. One has to accept everything that comes, only not identify. Influences A are not dangerous in themselves, only identification is dangerous. So there is no question of dispensing, there is only the question of having some interest in influences B, of not being entirely under the power of influences A. If people have an interest in these influences B, they have a magnetic centre, if not, they have no magnetic centre.
After some time, with the help of magnetic centre, a man may find a school, or if he comes near one he may recognize it. But, if he has no magnetic centre, he will not notice it, or will not be interested. And if he meets a school or a man who transmits another kind of influence, influence C, magnetic centre helps him to recognize this new influence and absorb it. If he has not absorbed enough influences B, and so has no magnetic centre, or if his magnetic centre is wrong or too weak, a man will not recognize influence C. Or he may meet a wrong school and have wrong instruction and instead of becoming better become worse; instead of acquiring, lose. Influence C differs from influences B in that it is conscious, instead of being accidental, both in origin and its action, whereas influences B are conscious in their origin but accidental or mechanical in their action. Influence C is school influence.
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Nearly all of the invited people to write on this blog have already proven themselves, via the internet, to possess significant interest in the esoteric with a bent to `open-mindedness' to ideas in general. That is - while still possessing SIGNIFICANT opinions on nearly all paranormal subject manner. Many of those opinions will be supported by direct experiences or even investigations.
However, this blog will also - I expect - introduce the internet community to new thinkers. After all, the people already being asked to participate as contributors - almost to a person - have to have a close friend who hears and discusses the far out theories you may be reading. So, some of those new sources are something to look forward to occurring on these pages.
Most of all, myself included, I hope that the invited writers will provide their ideas - and rejection of ideas - in a totally civil manner of respect; which most of the writers already have for each other. This will be a blog that will be a pleasure to read - a blog with the goal of enlightenment to each other. A hashing out of inner thoughts and ideas. A quoting place of great books.
At this stage - this very moment - this idea for this blog is only a matter of an hour or so old. I've already heard back in an affirmative manner from one and an `interest' by another. I also can assume that at least one of my `friends' will be IN and probably the man who is referred to as my doppelganger. I expect (hope) nearly all will respond in a positive manner.
Finally, TFW is a book of esoteric questions and esoteric answers - that anyone with an interest in the paranormal, consciousness, or big ideas should probably find and read. But, specifically - I want to provide the FIRST Question in TFW that brings about an `answer' about `C' Influence.
(Page 86 - Magnetic Centre)
Q. Is total immersion in influences B and a complete rejection of influences A a correct attitude to life? Can we altogether dispense with influence A?
A. Why should we? Influences A may be quite legitimate interests in life. If you do not disappear in them they are quite harmless. One has to accept everything that comes, only not identify. Influences A are not dangerous in themselves, only identification is dangerous. So there is no question of dispensing, there is only the question of having some interest in influences B, of not being entirely under the power of influences A. If people have an interest in these influences B, they have a magnetic centre, if not, they have no magnetic centre.
After some time, with the help of magnetic centre, a man may find a school, or if he comes near one he may recognize it. But, if he has no magnetic centre, he will not notice it, or will not be interested. And if he meets a school or a man who transmits another kind of influence, influence C, magnetic centre helps him to recognize this new influence and absorb it. If he has not absorbed enough influences B, and so has no magnetic centre, or if his magnetic centre is wrong or too weak, a man will not recognize influence C. Or he may meet a wrong school and have wrong instruction and instead of becoming better become worse; instead of acquiring, lose. Influence C differs from influences B in that it is conscious, instead of being accidental, both in origin and its action, whereas influences B are conscious in their origin but accidental or mechanical in their action. Influence C is school influence.
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